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spike.gb
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 Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: Powerflush Machines |
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| Hi I am a gas service engineer thinking of investing in a powerflush machine could anyone with experience of the Fernox, Sentinel, Kamco and Norstrom models please advise of any pros or cons related to these and any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks |
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SimonD
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: |
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We have a few Norstrom units and we have found them to be very rugged and stand up well to 6 engineers throwing them about.
The norstrom has a heater which is recommended where the boiler is dud and you want to help the sludge removers do their stuff, this is an issue particularly in winter - although another poster here tells me that the sludge manufacturer instruuctions are wrong in this respect  |
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Chris
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | sludge manufacturer instruuctions |
Possessed by the drivel again, heh? |
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SimonD
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: |
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I have copied manufacturer instructions in this forum regarding the beneficial properties of heat when you are Powerflushing.
You have vehemently disagreed with me, as you like to do  . A nice cold desludge would apparently be just as effective as a warm one, you say .
So far you haven't produced a shred of evidence to support your case; which ideally will be sourced from a qualified source (eg: a sludge removal chemical manufacturer) rather than your own thoughts on the matter. |
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Chris
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I have copied manufacturer instructions |
One manufacturer, who flogs a heater. I know him. He's a salesman, not an engineer or a chemist. Same as you.
So far you haven't produced a shred of evidence to support your case; which ideally will be sourced from a qualified source (eg: a sludge removal chemical manufacturer) rather than your own thoughts on the matter.
It takes a bit less time.
Show me someone independent who says it does more.
You have repeatedly shown that your understanding of English, or anything much of a technical nature, is too poor to understand or explain very much at all without putting your foot in your mouth.
You repeatedly misquote, misinterpret and misrepresent any source you feel like, to pathetically attempt to support your own business.
Your attempts at deception are clear; your lack of understanding, I suppose you can't do much about. |
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SimonD
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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I don't understand your point.
I don't sell powerflush machines, chemicals etc but your post suggests I have a vested interest. Your posting barely conceals a raging desire to discredit me.
Are you seriously asking me to find an independent sludge removal chemist, rather than quote the printed instructions from a respected water treatment chemical manufacturer?
I thought it was more sensible for a person using the chemicals to read the manufacturer instructions. Apparently, they would be much better off consulting an independent chemist
I suggest you back up your claims with some fact if you are to avoid appearing an impotent and vindictive old buffoon. |
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Chris
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I don't understand your point. |
I'm not suprised, you don't understand much.
| Quote: | | I don't sell powerflush machines, chemicals etc but your post suggests I have a vested interest. |
You do. If you can't see it your blinkers are too tight.
| Quote: | | Are you seriously asking me to find an independent sludge removal chemist |
You can't read the screen in front of you - what chance with instructions??
| Quote: | | instructions from a respected water treatment chemical manufacturer? |
You mean the guy who earned everybody's disrespect for stealing the formula from a chemical company and flogging it behind their back?
| Quote: | | I suggest you back up your claims with some fact |
I'm not making claims - you are.
| Quote: | | Your posting barely conceals a raging desire to discredit me. |
There are plenty of people already doing that. |
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gas4you
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflush Machines |
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| spike.gb wrote: | | Hi I am a gas service engineer thinking of investing in a powerflush machine could anyone with experience of the Fernox, Sentinel, Kamco and Norstrom models please advise of any pros or cons related to these and any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks |
I've used a Sentinel jetflush machine for 6 years now and I have been very pleased with it. Had one or two little niggles like the soft flush adaptor breaking, but this was soon replaced foc. Can't comment on other makes though, although the idea of a heater built in sounds good. Any chemical reaction will be faster with heat 
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Chris
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Any chemical reaction will be faster with heat |
No argument with that. (Actually there are a few but let's not go there!) |
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SimonD
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Well Chris, what exactly are you arguing about then? That was my original point, that the desludger will work best with heat. And thus, a machine that has a heater will be more useful in the field. To the best of my knowledge, Norstrom are the only manufacturer offering an inbuilt heater.
This seemed to excite you into claiming I was a Powerflushing machine salesman, which is, frankly, a total fabrication. My company, like most others in the heating installation industry, buy and use them. End of. That is what makes me qualified to offer an opinion here.
And while we are talking about being qualified to offer an opinion......
Which 'guy' are you talking about?
which 'company' did he steal it from?
And who is it in the sludge chemical industry that you know so well?
If you have to resort to such vague terms to justify your pedantics, we must assume you are being disingenious. |
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Chris
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | claiming I was a Powerflushing machine salesman |
show me where.
No, you're a snake-oil salesman. Any product/method you sell...
Look at the tut you've written.
| Quote: | | the desludger will work best with heat |
which is still wrong
| Quote: | Which 'guy' are you talking about?
And who is it in the sludge chemical industry that you know so well? |
The people from whom you got your machine which you've made all the disingenuous claims about.
Amongst others. Educate yourself.
| Quote: | | most others in the heating installation industry, buy and use them.(Norstrom) |
Piffle. More fabrications. You're an addict.
There's nothing whatsoever to make a flush with the Norstom machine , even with its piddling 3kW heater, better than anybody else's. Despite the nonsense you've been preaching. |
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SimonD
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | most others in the heating installation industry, buy and use them.(Norstrom) |
I never wrote that sentence, you have edited a manufacturer name to it in an attempt to bolster your argument.
While talking of ethics, may I remind you that we still await your top level contact in the chemical industry, the manufacturer who stole other chemical constituents, and the salesman's name.
It is my opinion that the above is a load of balony. If you are prepared to alter my posting when it is printed for all to see, why should we believe the rest of your diatribes? |
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Chris
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Norstrom are the only manufacturer offering an inbuilt heater.
This seemed to excite you into claiming I was a Powerflushing machine salesman, which is, frankly, a total fabrication. My company, like most others in the heating installation industry, buy and use them. |
Having trouble reading your own self-serving piffle now?
Your fabrications started in your first post of the thread.
| Quote: | | top level contact in the chemical industry |
More simond invention. You know (or should) the companies involved. As I said, educate yourself.
If I wanted to be unethical I'd just post unattributed quotes from some of your customers - a rich vein. |
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SimonD
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If I wanted to be unethical I'd just post unattributed quotes from some of your customers - a rich vein. |
Be as unethical as you can
We use Sentinel chemical treatment and their postal analysis service, working with Vaillant. It is vital we leave the system in good chemical order and use a third party testing house for that customer reassurance.
If a system fails the test we do it again.
Luckily for you we don't compete in the same area. |
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Chris
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I heard from one of you ex's, what went in the bottle that got sent off.
Quite a bit of work from your whigeing ex customers in the Caterham area. Easy, they're used to such high prices..
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