Magnetic water softeners

[javelli]

Does anyone have good or bad experience with magnetic water softeners. Do they remove existing limescale ?

[AlanE]

If you brouse back through this section, search dosen't work, you will find many varied comments regarding magnetic and electronic limescale removers.

NONE of them are in any shape or form WATER SOFTNERS. Neither do their respective manufacturers claim them to be softners.

Alan

[javelli]

Sorry,'softeners' was a bad choice, but I found it during my search on the net.
I found some comments on the magnetic conditioners. Thanks for the tip. Pity the search function in the forums does not work. It would have saved this discussion.

[Tony P]

Try contacting ukwt@hotmail.com They may be of assistance.

Tony P.

[jpchemical]

I AM AFRAID THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO REMOVE EXISTING SCALE.. THEY ARE ABLE AS PER MANUFACTURES LITERATURE JUST TO PREVENT SCALE BUILD UP..
FOR DESCALING YOU ARE OBLIGED TO PROCEED IN CHEMICAL DESCALING..
REGARDS
jpchemical

[Tony P]

Ah Mr. JP

I'm sure that everyone on the forum can understand that you would like to promote your chemical products here. Also free of cost I might add!

I'm also sure that free advertising was not the intent of this forum, since it is for the trades people and the general public as well as other informed persons to communicate in an unbiased way.

Not only are you advertising/promoting your firm and products, but you also appear to be either uninformed or deliberately misleading the public for your own gains.

Since your comments imply that you are knowledgable in the field, would you be kind to tell us your personal experience with physical water treatment systems? Which ones you have installed during your time in the water treatment industry? and what applications?

Regards,

Tony P.

[jpchemical]

Att: Tony P.
Regret to consider your respond quite offencive. regret once again.. Just for your consideration, my company provides technical services on the chemical cleaning subject for about 25 years, only in the oilfields and shipping big boilers and related installation . If you think that my comments are not welcome, simple i can stop passing messages..
Bye..and Over
Jpchemical

[Tony P]

Mr. JP

If you wish to bail out, that is entirely up to you!

My comments were unbiased opinions based on your statements! If you can't stand the heat, don't be too quick to jump into the frying pan.

I also take it from your last posting that you won't or can't answer the questions put in front of you?

Tony P.

[DP]

On a lighter note- here is an e-mail I recieved from a discussion forum

As you may or may not know, water softeners rely on Sodium Ions
to acomplish the softening of hard water. And as you may or may not be
aware of is that Sodium is a very reactive metallic element ( Symbol Na...
Atomic Number11...Atomic weight 22.9898 ).
When water softened with salt (Na Cl) ie Sodium Chloride), the Na
(Sodium) ions remain in the water. When that Sodium rich water is passed
through a RO (Reverse Osmosis) membrane, the sodium reverts back to it's
metalic form and is extruded from the membrane as ultra small metallic
threads of Sodium. The threads are brittle and break into micron sized pieces
that appear as jagged molecule sized spears and arrows of metallic Sodium.
If the mettalic particles in the water are ingested in sufficient
quantities
over a long period of time by an unknowing person, disaster and destruction
may not be long in coming.
You may or may not be familiar with the term "SHC". It stands for a
little
understood (until recently) phenomenon known to only a very few scientists as
"Spontaneous Human Combustion".
New findings have indicated a corelation between high concentrations
of
sodium locked in human fatty tissue and the incidence of "SHC".
Once a critical level of Sodium has been reached in the body, little
can
be done to circumvent the inevitable outcome of this condition.
Perhaps you would be much better off without the RO unit so close to
the Water Softening Unit.

[Tony P]

Hello DP,

From which forum did you find this information. Can you post the site address or would you mind sending it directly to me by email. Just click on the who face at left.

Thanks,

Tony P.

[Chris]

DP - "lighter" is right. Also nonsense! Metallic Sodium reacts immediately, violently and unforgettably with water. You get NaOH, sodium hydroxide, if there's nowt else like Cl ions about.

"mettalic particles in the water " piffle.

[javelli]

jpchemicals wrote that "they (magnetic conditioners) are not able to remove scale", but if no new scale is built up, existing scale will be eroded from the system. It might take a while but through the years it probably will.

[Tony P]

Javelli

Although magenetic conditioners have been known to control scale forming and even remove scale as you stated. Magnetic conditioning is the pioneer of the physical water conditioner and is also very week and inconsistant compared to other systems presently on the market.

But you are right in your thoughts on the subject.

I should not fail to add that JP Chemical was clearly in here to promote his product and showed his ignorance related to physical water conditioning. Too bad, constructive knowledgable critisism? would be welcomed.

regards,

Tony P.



This message was edited by Tony P on 6-16-03 @ 10:36 PM

[thescruff]

The scalewatcher I recommended is not a magnetic conditioner and research on this product is quite encouraging.

thescruff

[Tony P]

scruff,

Scalewacher is very good to my knowledge. also located nearer you in Honiton, Devon is UK water treatment with another excellent electronic unit.

you can reach them at email ukwt@hotmail .com or 44 1538 7516660 if anyone is interested

Regards,

Tony P.